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The Club OSAT
What is the mission of OSAT?
What is the legal status of OSAT?
Did OSAT just get started in 1995?
Why was OSAT founded?
Why is OSAT both an AA group and a separate club?
What are OSAT's principle activities?
How does OSAT qualify as a charity?
How many people participate in OSAT?
How does OSAT fund its operations?
How are funds received by OSAT used?
How is OSAT administered?

The OSAT Yahoo Groups Email List
What is the Yahoo Groups Email List for?
How do I subscribe to the OSAT Yahoo Groups email list?
How do I post messages to the OSAT Yahoo Groups email list, once I've signed up?
What is the Yahoo Groups Email List NOT for?
How do I unsubscribe from the OSAT Yahoo Groups email list?
I noticed that some people have <username>@osat.org email addresses. Can I get one of those too?
Does OSAT moderate what's posted on the email list?

The OSAT Message Board
What is the Yahoo Message Board for?
How long are messages left on the board?
What is the Yahoo Groups Email List NOT for?
Does OSAT moderate what's posted on the Message Board?

The Club OSAT

What is the mission of OSAT? To provide a clean and sober environment for members and friends of 12-step recovery groups to participate in outdoor and social events in the spirit of conservation, preservation, and ecology.

What is the legal status of OSAT? OSAT was organized as a Washington non-profit corporation on August 16, 1995. It was subsequently recognized by the Internal Revenue Service as exempt from federal income tax as an organization described in section 501(c)(3) effective on the incorporation date. OSAT's employer identification number is 91-1689702.

Did OSAT just get started in 1995? No. Although OSAT did not formally organize until 1994 (by-laws) and 1995 (incorporation and tex exempt status), OSAT actually began in essentially its current form in April, 1991. Jimmy Hinkhouse, a recovering alcoholic, founded OSAT as an Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) group and an associated outdoor and mountaineering club. The AA group distinguished itself from the more traditional AA meetings in that it conducts AA meetings primarily in wilderness settings.

Why was OSAT founded? Hinkhouse believed that his interest in outdoor activities in general, and mountaineering in particular, were important components to his recovery from alcoholism. His goal was to establish a group of recovering alcoholics which could provide the necessary training and experience in mountaineering to make it an important aspect in the recovery of other individuals.

Why was OSAT an AA group and a separate club? The OSAT club is separate and distinct from the OSAT AA group in respect of AA Tradition Six, which states that "secondary aids to AA, such as clubs which require property or administration, out to be incorporated and so set apart that, if necessary, they can be freely discarded by the groups." The club was organized because OSAT activities were not limited to 12-step meetings, and involve some inherently dangerous activity, such as mountain climbing, which therefore required a way to insure that only qualified people were allowed to participate. This goes beyond the "desire to stop drinking" membership requirement for AA. The club also owns a small amount of equipment made available to members, particularly those who are new to mountaineering and who therefore do not have their own specialized equipment to participate in technical activities.

What are OSAT's principal activities? OSAT provides support and education to people with alcohol, other drug, and other dependency problems. OSAT currently sponsors three weekly 12-step Recovery Program meetings in wilderness settings in the greater Puget Sound area. (During the Winter, one meeting moves indoors.) The club organizes mountain climbs, trail work parties, and outdoor retreats which involve teaching members the benefits of these activities as a part of their recovery. Twenty to thirty such events are organized each year. Most of these activities include 12-step meetings, education, and recovery support. The organization relies on existing members, providing their expertise on a voluntary basis, to teach new members the skills and the linkage between sustaining physical well-being, drug- and alcohol-free living, and the enjoyment of those activities. The foundation of the education program is a mountaineering course conducted each spring for 20-40 new members. A monthly club meeting welcomes new members, includes a short business meeting,and typically features a lecture, slide show, or video about mountaineering. The club also organizes running activities, kayak trips, cycling, and less strenuous hikes and camping trips.

How does OSAT qualify as a charity? Although the OSAT club asks members to pay dues to support its newsletter, The Yodel, its activities are not limited to dues-paying members. The only requirement to participate in OSAT is agreement to abide by the principles of anonymity and abstinence. The hotline and newsletter are provided free-of-charge to non-members evaluating whether OSAT could aid their recovery. Our activities are open to people who are not in recovery, but those who are not are primarily spouses or health care professionals. Our experience is that the few individuals who have participated who are not either members or friends/spouses of members of 12-step programs do not stay in the club for long due to the focus on recovery in OSAT activities. Many club activities include 12-step meetings, and a few professionals in the field of chemical dependency counseling who are members provide informal counseling without charge within the context of the club activities. In addition to outdoor activities, OSAT works with treatment centers at their request to expose their clients to our program within the context of their own treatment programs.

How many people participate in OSAT? The active, dues-paying membership numbers approximately 150-200, but two to three times that number participate in OSAT activities including the weekly 12-step meetings.

How does OSAT fund its operations? Membership dues cover about half of the annual expenses. The remainder comes from donations and fund raising through sales of merchandise and activities such as pancake breakfasts.

How are funds received by OSAT? Current annual cash flow is approximately $4,000. About half of this is associated with communications to existing and potential new members, primarily through the newsletter, web site, and telephone hotline. The remainder is used for meeting site rental, reproduction costs for training course and club informational materials, postage, organizational costs, hosting the web site, and the purchase of equipment owned by the club for loan to members. The club also provides memberships free-of-charge to people who are unemployed or otherwise in financial distress. Club funds are NOT used to cover the direct costs of activities or trips, which are paid for by the participants.

How is OSAT administered? A five-member board is elected fro overlapping two-year terms to oversee the operation of the club in accordance to oversee the well-being of the club, and also serve as the corporate board of directors. Standing committees administer the climbing course, communication with recovery centers, publications, telephone hotline, finances, and equipment loaning.

 

OSAT Yahoo Groups Email List

What is the Yahoo Groups Email List for? The general purpose of the list is to share pertinent information amongst OSAT Members such as activity information and general announcements.

How do I subscribe to the OSAT Yahoo Groups email list? Send a blank email to osat-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. You will be emailed with further instruction on how to verify that you want to join the list. Follow the instructions.

How do I post messages to the OSAT Yahoo Groups email list, once I've signed up? Send posts to the list to osat@yahoogroups.com and it will be sent to the list. Only those who currently subscribe to the list may post. Others' posts will be held in a cue for the moderator to allow to be posted or not. (Please remember that when using this list that messages go out to ALL members and therefore, discretion is suggested.)

What is the Yahoo Groups Email List NOT for? Flaming, bad attitudes, unconstructive criticisms, attacks on groups or individuals, or other harmful content and uncivilized behavior are unwise and risk being banned from the list.

How do I unsubscribe from the OSAT Yahoo Groups email list? Send a blank email to osat-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com and you will be removed from the list.

I noticed that some people have <username>@osat.org email addresses. Can I get one of those too? No. The @osat.org email addresses are reserved for those who hold service positions within OSAT such as the librarian, the treasurer, hike leaders, contact people, and BOTS members.

Does OSAT moderate what's posted on the email list? OSAT currently does not moderate posts, however, it is strongly suggested that everyone use discretion when using this forum so that moderation of this list is not necessary. There ARE moderators who can deny members and perform other such policing actions but these services have not been needed up to this point. Please help us keep it this way.

 

The OSAT Message Board

What is the Yahoo Message Board for? The message board is to have discussions, announce activities and collect participants, air grievances (please keep it decent),

How long are messages left on the board? Messages will be left on the board while they are still relevant or for six months past the last post. If no posts are added to a topic for six months, the post and all it's threads will be moved to the Message Board Archive (which is currently not there because there's nothing to archive yet).

What is the Yahoo Groups Email List NOT for? Flaming, bad attitudes, unconstructive criticisms, attacks on groups or individuals, or other harmful content and uncivilized behavior are unwise and risk being banned from the list.

Does OSAT moderate what's posted on the Message Board? Occasionally, it will be necessary to remove some posts, however, this board was created as an area for members to pretty much say whatever they want and serve to meet needs which the Yahoo Egroups List can not. The Message Board Moderator reserves the right to remove offensive posts (like swearing, sexually explicit, etc. posts) or inappropriate posts (like advertising from outside businesses).

 

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